9
Nov
2004

A Sit-In of Massive Proportions

//tinyurl.com/6ngb2

Torture and Accountability

//tinyurl.com/6tduc

Evidence of possible Violations

//tinyurl.com/4wgnf

American Resistance

Do not conform, do not forget and do not let time make you indifferent. Let the peace movement be reborn, let peace and love once more supercede war and violence. Let brotherhood of humanity replace division of peoples. Let love of people triumph over love of profit. Let us retire greed and love for the Almighty Dollar, embracing instead the principles of humanity, equality and justice.

//207.44.245.159/article7244.htm


American Resistance
by Manuel Valenzuela

If you are still upset at the resounding defeat of humanity that occurred on November 2, 2004 you have every right to be. On that day billions of us lost a most important battle through both the vote of the ignorant, unenlightened among us and the systemic fraudulent manipulation of electronic-voting machines which, it is becoming more and more apparent, helped steal victory, for the second time in four years, for George W. Bush and the Republican/corporatist party. The consequences on America and the world of such tragedy may inevitably set us back to the dark ages and to a meeting with a most ominous destiny....

//www.dissidentvoice.org/Nov2004/Valenzuela1110.htm

Electronic Ballots – Major Media Report Major Problems

Links to powerful documentary and several revealing articles reported by major news media exposing serious problems with electronic voting machines. This is followed by excerpts from an excellent article which explains core problems within the elections system.

//www.wanttoknow.info/electronicvoting


From Information Clearing House

Judge Halts War-Crime Trial at Guantánamo

A federal judge ruled Monday that President Bush had both overstepped his constitutional bounds and improperly brushed aside the Geneva Conventions in establishing military commissions to try detainees at the United States naval base here as war criminals.

//207.44.245.159/article7247.htm

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions. He helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then take over their economies.

This is a must listen interview
//207.44.245.159/article7253.htm

Unsafe for Democracy

To see the world as a contest pitting good against evil is to move at least halfway down the slippery slope of Abu Ghraib. It allows U.S. officials to shrug off the estimated 100,000 Iraqi civilian lives lost since last year's invasion.

//fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/latimes386.htm

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How many dead innocent Iraqis is too many?:

For the Iraqis, we will hold no multi-faith services, no commemorative anniversary functions and we will give no human faces to them. Perhaps some innocent lives are more sacrosanct than others.

//fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/age14.htm



From Information Clearing House

America failing test of history

America failing test of history as offensive compared to terror tactics of pariah states:

Perhaps in waging war against the Iraqis who want to expel the Americans and topple America's chosen Iraqi leaders, the insurgents have compelled the US and its Iraqi allied regime to behave like the two Baathist regimes that they believed were so totalitarian they had to go.

//news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=580937
//snipurl.com/aiqi


From Information Clearing House

Blair has departed from the rule of law, says his former adviser

Tony Blair's former senior diplomatic adviser on Europe has accused the Prime Minister, and George Bush, of acting illegally over the war on Iraq.

//207.44.245.159/article7257.htm

Oceans To Rise One Meter By 2100

Arctic Expert: Oceans To Rise One Meter By 2100
//story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=570&e=1&u=/nm/20041109/sc_nm/environment_arctic_dc_6

PREVIOUS NHNE ARTICLES:

U.S. "WORKING FOR MONTHS" TO PREVENT ARCTIC COUNCIL SUGGESTIONS (11/6/2004):
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/8226

BIG ARCTIC PERILS SEEN IN WARMING (10/30/2004):
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/8178

U.S. TRYING TO BLOCK ARCTIC REPORT ON GLOBAL WARMING (9/16/2004):
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/7889

WARMING TREND WILL DECIMATE ARCTIC PEOPLES (9/11/2004):
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/7868

THE ARCTIC CLIMATE IMPACT ASSESSMENT REPORT (8/21/2004):
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/7775


Informant: NHNE

Campaigns against Masts by schools hots up in the UK

//www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/campaigns_against_masts_by_schools_hots_up_in_the_uk.html

"Bush can run, but he cannot hide from the Constitution"

Message from Ramsey Clark

President Bush can run, but he cannot hide from the Constitution of the United States. The election does not pardon the President for past, or future "high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Impeachment is not a partisan political issue. The House of Representatives, possessed of the "sole power of impeachment," is required to consider a bill of impeachment on the facts even if every Member were of the same party, or political persuasion, as the President. The seven specific provisions of the Constitution setting forth the powers and duties of the Congress in considering impeachment intend that any President or other civil officer of the United States who has committed a high Crime or Misdemeanor "...shall be removed from Office."

The power of impeachment assures the people against criminal acts and despotic ambitions by government officials.

We, the People have the power to require the House of Representatives to do its duty and act on a bill of impeachment after full investigation and consideration. If it fails to do so those House members who failed to perform this Constitutional duty can and should be voted from office. Remember that President Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment for Watergate less than two years after his landslide reelection in 1972.

Impeachment is Imperative

For the American people who support and defend the Constitution of the United States, who want to prevent further crimes by a lawless administration, who believe we can redeem our country in the eyes of those we have assaulted and those who have witnessed this brutality and who dare to demand of future government leadership, NEVER AGAIN, Impeachment is Imperative. A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that we Americans should declare the causes which impel us to impeach.

President George W. Bush chose to wage a war of aggression against Iraq, which had not attacked the United States and presented no imminent threat to our people, or legitimate interests. A small cabal, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby and Rove wrested decision making processes from established institutions of government to reinforce President Bush’s desire to seize Iraq, defying international institutions, the opinions of humankind and the rule of law to commence a disastrous criminal military adventure.

A Campaign of Deceit and False Propaganda

War of aggression is the first offense listed in the Nuremberg Charter as a Crime against Peace. The Nuremberg Tribunal after hearing evidence of Nazi crimes in World War II convicted the leaders of waging wars of aggression, which it called "the supreme international crime."

At Nuremberg, the Chief U.S. Prosecutor, Robert H. Jackson, promised posterity that in the future all nations, including our own, would be held accountable for such crimes.

President Bush and key administration officials engaged in a lengthy campaign of deceit, concealment and false propaganda to create support for, and acceptance of, its war of aggression by claiming Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, harbored terrorists, had close ties with and supported Al Qaeda and intended to attack the U.S., U.S. citizens and U.S. interests. A free society, democratic institutions and constitutional government cannot survive such deceit by its own government.

The U.S. has made civilians and civilian facilities its direct object of attack. It has pursued assassination and summary executions as official policy. President Bush boasted of summary executions in his State of the Union message in 2003. Excessive and indiscriminate force and illegal weapons have been used. Many thousands of Iraqi citizens, whole families, women, children, elderly Iraqis have been killed as a result.

U.S. military casualties exceed 10,000 including more than 1,100 deaths with many additional thousands returned to the United States for physical and mental illnesses.

The U.S. has employed torture, including torture to death, rape and sexual assault and humiliation, as approved and ordered policy from Afghanistan and Guantanamo to Iraq, inflicted on thousands of prisoners, many, if not most, without any evidence of wrongful conduct. An admitted 37 human beings have been murdered while being held in captivity by the United States under these conditions. We know not how many more. All the mounting evidence makes clear that this program of torture and death is not aberrational conduct of rogue or undisciplined soldiers but is rather the policy adopted at the highest levels of the Bush/Rumsfeld chain of command. All this in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the International Convention Against Torture, the laws of all nations and common human decency.

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States provides: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, Shall Be Removed From Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors

More than 100,000 Dead Based on a Lie

We learn from the prominent medical journal Lancet of the report by researchers at John Hopkins University, Columbia University and the Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad that the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq and military occupation has cost "at least" 100,000 Iraqi lives already must civilian, women and children. Already President Bush has launched a massive aerial and ground assault on Falluja which may kill thousands of defenseless civilians.

Haiti, where President Bush forced the elected President Jean Bertrand Aristide from office, is in chaos with many thousands killed by widespread daily violence committed by U.S. supported paramilitaries against Aristide supporters.

Nearly 500,000 have voted to impeach. Help us increase that number into millions the Congress cannot ignore.

Every American should choose whether to vote for impeachment entirely on the facts, straight up, or down, without political, or partisan fear, or favor. We owe this to the country, its future, the Constitution and our common heritage. Impeachment is Required Now.

Impeachment now is the only way we, the American people, can promise ourselves and the world that we will not tolerate crimes against peace and humanity by our government. Knowing what we know, to wait longer is to condone what has been done and risk more.

Sincerely,

Ramsey Clark

//www.votetoimpeach.org/



Chief George W. Bush for treason
//disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=76744;show_parent=1

THE GANNON CANNON
//disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=76745;show_parent=1

Petition to Congress requesting an Investigation into the Presidential Election of 2004

Please distribute widely.

Shannon


A petition to congress requesting an investigation into the presidential election of 2004 at: //www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html


EVERYONE!!!!!! SIGN THIS PETITION AND THEN PASS IT ON!!!!

There are already thousands of signatures and it has only been available for a short time.

//www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html

I'm number 39153.

PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS PETITION FAR AND WIDE NOW!!

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic which it defines!

period - end of story -

Protect the Bill of Rights, and the FIRST AMENDMENT
keep the government out of your personal life!

Protect Separation of CHURCH AND STATE!

Protect your CIVIL RIGHTS and your CIVIL LIBERTIES!

go to //www.blackboxvoting.org after you sign the petition!


"By-laws aren't political. They're how you run your group. Anything else is a result of who you elect or put in charge." -- Lila Hummel- Parlimentarian (Los Angeles KFPK LAB meeting 8-23-03)


Informant: Heidi Chesney

BMW Group reduziert drastisch Strahlungsbelastung durch innerbetriebliche DECT-Telefone

09.11.2004 Als erster Großkonzern hat der Automobilhersteller BMW Group die zulässige Strahlungsbelastung seiner weltweit rd. 105.000 Mitarbeiter durch betriebliche DECT-Schnurlostelefone auf höchstens 100 µW/m² reduziert. Dieser Strahlungswert liegt um den Faktor 100.000 unter dem derzeit gültigen gesetzlichen Grenzwert. BMW reagiert damit auf die heftig geführte und nach wie vor offene Diskussion über die Gesundheitsrisiken von Mobilfunkgeräten.

Wie die zuständige Abteilung Arbeits- und Umweltschutz bei BMW auf Anfrage mitteilte, hat man sich vorab intensiv über die Sachlage informiert. Von beiden Seiten wurde Rat eingeholt (z. B. von dem bekannten Elektrosmog-Experten Prof. G. Käs und von DECT-Lieferant Siemens), bevor sich die Verantwortlichen für die massive Reduzierung entschieden, die für die gesamte BMW Group weltweit gültig ist.

Zur Umsetzung des niedrigen BMW-Grenzwerts wurde die Sendeleistung der DECT-Basisstationen (Mittelwert 10 mW, Spitzenwert 250 mW) durch den Einbau von Dämpfungsgliedern soweit verringert, dass auch in unmittelbarer Nähe einer solchen Station der BMW-Grenzwert eingehalten wird. Insbesondere im Münchener Forschungszentrum FIZ konnte dann jedoch die Funkversorgung nicht mehr zuverlässig gewährleistet werden. Grund: In dem Büro- und Laborkomplex lassen sich dämpfende Trennwände problemlos versetzen oder neu einziehen. Auf diese Weise kann schon durch Trockenbauarbeiten eine zuvor intakte Funkversorgung plötzlich zusammenbrechen. Um dies zu vermeiden, müssen etliche DECT-Basisstationen im FIZ mit höherer Leistung senden als ursprünglich geplant.

Damit der BMW-Grenzwert dennoch eingehalten wird, wurden die in Deckennähe montierten DECT-Basisstationen mit einem Kostenaufwand von rd. 100 000 Euro – getragen von BMW – durch metallbedampfte Glasscheiben abgeschirmt. Diese “Deflektoren” sind nahe der Stationen montiert, sie lassen die seitliche Abstrahlung ungehindert zu, schützen jedoch den unterhalb einer Station sitzenden Mitarbeiter. BMW ließ die Deflektoren bei einem Zulieferer anfertigen. Schlichte Metallplatten haben dieselbe Schutzwirkung, die schmucken Glasplatten wurden nur wegen der Optik gewählt.

Die ödp begrüßt die Initiative von BMW. Denn erstmals greift ein Großkonzern tatkräftig das Vorsorgeprinzip zum Schutz seiner Mitarbeiter auf und wartet nicht tatenlos ab, bis die wissenschaftliche Diskussion über die Schädlichkeit des Elektrosmogs ein unstrittiges Resultat hervorbringt. Der jetzt bei BMW geltende niedrige Grenzwert von 100 µW/m² Leistungsflussdichte entspricht exakt der Forderung der ödp nach einer massiven Senkung der viel zu hohen gesetzlichen Strahlungsgrenzwerte im Mobilfunk. Die ödp ist die einzige politische Partei Deutschlands, die menschenverträglichen Mobilfunk in ihrem Parteiprogramm als Zielsetzung nennt.

Omega auch der Wert von 100 µW/m² ist noch zu hoch. Empfehlungen der Landessanitätsdirektion Salzburg Februar 2002: Summe GSM außen 10 µW/m², Summe GSM innen 1 µW/m². Zum vorbeugenden Schutz der öffentlichen Gesundheit wird für die Summe der niederfrequent-pulsmodulierten hochfrequenten Immissionen von Mobilfunksendeanlagen, wie z.B. GSM-Basisstationen, ein vorläufiger Beurteilungswert von maximal 1 mW/m² (0,1 µW/cm²) empfohlen. Siehe weiter unter: //omega.twoday.net/stories/293851/

Quelle: ÖDP München » www.izgmf.de »

//www.sonnenseite.com/fp/archiv/Akt-News/5588.php


Nachricht von der BI Bad Dürkheim

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BMW gibt DECT den Laufpass
//omega.twoday.net/stories/5012614/



//omega.twoday.net/search?q=DECT

Omega-News Collection 9. November 2004

Levels of Microwaves in Brighton and Hove extreme cause for concern
//omega.twoday.net/stories/390881/

The Mobile Mast Menace
//omega.twoday.net/stories/391196/

There's no limits to the absurdity
//omega.twoday.net/stories/387222/

Mobile phone risk revealed
//omega.twoday.net/stories/395066/

Childhood leukemia risk doubles near powerlines
//omega.twoday.net/stories/393058/

Myeleoproliferative Disorder : Guinea Pigs lived three Years post Electric Meter Wall
//omega.twoday.net/stories/388331/

Very, Extreme and Ultra Low Frequency Research
//omega.twoday.net/stories/394264/

Biometric ID comes in through the back door
//omega.twoday.net/stories/388829/

RFID Rights
//omega.twoday.net/stories/389766/

Weapons of microelectronic destruction
//omega.twoday.net/stories/391024/

World Wide Petition Against the Escalation in Iraq
//omega.twoday.net/stories/389126/

Fight the Fingerprint
//omega.twoday.net/stories/392939/

The Great Betrayal: Fraud in Science
//omega.twoday.net/stories/394532/

Are You Working For a Psycho?
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386797/

Mandatory Gene Testing for newborn babies
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386815/

Pesticides Found In 100 Percent of People Tested
//omega.twoday.net/stories/387240/

Mercury contamination widespread in Ohio’s lakes & rivers
//omega.twoday.net/stories/388287/

Are You Critical of Genetically Engineered Foods?
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386913/

Plantations Are Not Forests
//omega.twoday.net/stories/394499/

One week left to protect our trees
//omega.twoday.net/stories/394456/

The human casualties of Brazil's rainforest disaster
//omega.twoday.net/stories/389616/

The Genetically Modified Bomb-gene warfare
//omega.twoday.net/stories/389912/

Bush's mental health screening plan
//omega.twoday.net/stories/390252/

Oceana Protects Dolphins From Sonar in Canary Islands
//omega.twoday.net/stories/391841/

The Animals have been showing erratic behaiviors for this past year
//omega.twoday.net/stories/392429/

Three Years from now, less than 1000 Days, it will be too late
//omega.twoday.net/stories/393054/

GLOBAL BAN ON GM-TREES
//omega.twoday.net/stories/393916/

Army First Lieutenant Jullian Philip Goodrum Battles The Army
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386926/

What really happens to some Veterans returning Home from War
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386929/

Uncle Sam Is Watching You
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386937/

More pre-emptive strikes on the table
//omega.twoday.net/stories/392995/

Aggressive War: Supreme International Crime
//omega.twoday.net/stories/395548/

Mission Accomplished
//omega.twoday.net/stories/395584/

Roots of Abu Ghraib in CIA techniques
//omega.twoday.net/stories/387963/

WORLD TRADE CENTER RESCUE HERO SUES BUSH
//omega.twoday.net/stories/388302/

ACLU files suit to include late absentee ballots in Fla
//omega.twoday.net/stories/388343/

Vote USA 2004
//omega.twoday.net/topics/Vote+USA+2004/

The Bill of Rights: Freedom of Speech
//omega.twoday.net/stories/386931/

Renewing Our Defense of Liberty
//omega.twoday.net/stories/392043/

Nader/Camejo Challenge Electronic Voting Results in New Hampshire

//www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400


Informant: NHNE

KERRY STILL MIGHT WIN - VOTES BEING COUNTED

//tinyurl.com/4na7e

Welcome to the Gulag

One of Every 140 U.S. Residents is in Prison or Jail:

State and federal authorities held 1,470,045 prisoners as of December 31, 2003

//www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/p03pr.htm


From Information Clearing House

Media Blacks Out Voting Problems

//www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950
//snipurl.com/ahqo


From Information Clearing House

All the makings of a war crime

A US-led attack on the Iraqi Sunni-stronghold will breach the Geneva conventions...

//207.44.245.159/article7243.htm

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Arma-geddon Sick of You:

Bush's Sword of Damocles is poised above the people and city of Fallujah, ready to wreak the pent-up wrath his addled brain thinks his tainted election victory permits. This is the bizarre world-in-a-bubble in which most Americans reside. With a chorus of Onward, Christian Soldiers and a vapid, cheerleading press, the crusade continues unabated, as the world's revulsion continues to grow.

//207.44.245.159/article7240.htm

Mission Accomplished

BBC TV documentary

Seven months after the end of the war, Sean Langan, armed with just a camera, takes a brave and eventful trip through Iraq, seeking to shed light on what life is like in this newly occupied territory.

Watch it now
//207.44.245.159/video1042.htm

HACK THE VOTE IN 90 SECONDS

//groups.msn.com/votefraudusa/3.msnw


Informant: lynnzy

New Documentary just released on Iraq

//www.voicesofiraq.com


Informant: Bigraccoon

CIA working with FBI inside United States

//www.theolympian.com/home/news/20041108/topstories/29623.shtml


Informant: lynnzy

THE LIMITS OF ELECTORAL POLITICS

Just to put it in perspective...

I have great sympathy and respect for the millions of people who worked so hard in so many different ways to get rid of the most despicable president in American history. Dubious though I am about the effectiveness of electoral politics, I too would have dearly loved to see him defeated by a landslide.

But just to put it in perspective...

Scott Munson


THE LIMITS OF ELECTORAL POLITICS
//www.bopsecrets.org/PS/joyrev.htm

Roughly speaking we can distinguish five degrees of "government":

(1) Unrestricted freedom
(2) Direct democracy
(3) Delegate democracy
(4) Representative democracy
(5) Overt minority dictatorship

The present society oscillates between (4) and (5), i.e. between overt minority rule and covert minority rule camouflaged by a facade of token democracy. A liberated society would eliminate (4) and (5) and would progressively reduce the need for (2) and (3). . . .

In representative democracy people abdicate their power to elected officials. The candidates' stated policies are limited to a few vague generalities, and once they are elected there is little control over their actual decisions on hundreds of issues -- apart from the feeble threat of changing one's vote, a few years later, to some equally uncontrollable rival politician. Representatives are dependent on the wealthy for bribes and campaign contributions; they are subordinate to the owners of the mass media, who decide which issues get the publicity; and they are almost as ignorant and powerless as the general public regarding many important matters that are determined by unelected bureaucrats and independent secret agencies. Overt dictators may sometimes be overthrown, but the real rulers in "democratic" regimes, the tiny minority who own or control virtually everything, are never voted in and never voted out. Most people don't even know who they are. . . .

In itself, voting is of no great significance one way or the other (those who make a big deal about refusing to vote are only revealing their own fetishism). The problem is that it tends to lull people into relying on others to act for them, distracting them from more significant possibilities. A few people who take some creative initiative (think of the first civil rights sit-ins) may ultimately have a far greater effect than if they had put their energy into campaigning for lesser-evil politicians.

At best, legislators rarely do more than what they have been forced to do by popular movements. (The Vietnam war, for example, was not ended by electing antiwar politicians, but because there was so much pressure from several different directions that the prowar president Nixon was forced to withdraw.) A conservative regime under pressure from independent radical movements often concedes more than a liberal regime that knows it can count on radical support. If people invariably rally to lesser evils, all the rulers have to do in any situation that threatens their power is to conjure up a threat of some greater evil.

Even in the rare case when a "radical" politician has a realistic chance of winning an election, all the tedious campaign efforts of thousands of people may go down the drain in one day because of some trivial scandal discovered in his personal life, or because he inadvertently says something intelligent. If he manages to avoid these pitfalls and it looks like he might win, he tends to evade controversial issues for fear of antagonizing swing voters. If he actually gets elected he is almost never in a position to implement the reforms he has promised, except perhaps after years of wheeling and dealing with his new colleagues; which gives him a good excuse to see his first priority as making whatever compromises are necessary to keep himself in office indefinitely. Hobnobbing with the rich and powerful, he develops new interests and new tastes, which he justifies by telling himself that he deserves a few perks after all his years of working for good causes. Worst of all, if he does eventually manage to get a few "progressive" measures passed, this exceptional and usually trivial success is held up as evidence of the value of relying on electoral politics, luring many more people into wasting their energy on similar campaigns to come.

As one of the May 1968 graffiti put it, "It's painful to submit to our bosses; it's even more stupid to choose them!"

(Excerpts from "THE JOY OF REVOLUTION." The complete text is online at //www.bopsecrets.org/PS/joyrev.htm .)


BUREAU OF PUBLIC SECRETS
P.O. Box 1044, Berkeley CA 94701, USA
//www.bopsecrets.org

Bush Won No Mandate

//www.truthout.org/docs_04/110904W.shtml

A 'Moral Voter' Majority? The Culture Wars are Back

//www.truthout.org/docs_04/110904J.shtml

Aggressive War : Supreme International Crime

//www.truthout.org/docs_04/110904A.shtml

An Examination of the Florida Elections

//tinyurl.com/57mqu

Footprints Of Electoral Fraud : The November 2nd Exit Poll Scam

//tinyurl.com/3ljuh

Will Your Vote Count?

//www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886&nav=0Ra7JXq2

//filmstripinternational.com/


Informant: lynnzy

WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD

Vote Fraud Evidence to Kerry's brother
//omega.twoday.net/stories/395331/

Kerry's Considering Unconceding
//tinyurl.com/57fdz

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I am grateful to the many people who have contacted me to express their deep concern about questions of miscounting, fraud, vote suppression, and other problems on election day, especially in Florida and Ohio. Their concern reflects how much people care about the outcome of this election.

I want to you to know we are not ignoring it. Election protection lawyers are still on the job in Ohio and Florida and in DC making sure all the votes are counted accurately. I have been conferring with lawyers involved and have made them aware of the information and concerns people have given me. Even if the facts don't provide a basis to change the outcome, the information will inform the continuing effort to protect the integrity of our elections.

If you have specific factual information about voting problems that could be helpful to the lawyers doing their job, please send it to vri@dnc.org rather than to me.

The election protection effort has been important to me personally, and I am proud of the 17,000 lawyers around the country who helped. It's obvious that we have a way to go still, but their efforts helped make a difference. Their work goes on.

Thank you,

Cam Kerry

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Re message: "Vote Fraud Evidence to Kerry's brother (lawyer)"

Some people have questioned whether Cynthia Butler ButlerLawFirm@aol.com actually originated this email I forwarded. So I contacted her at her law office and she not only verified that she was the author, but pointed me to a website that got started around it (not by her) at //www.livejournal.com/community/johnkerry04/624056.html Click here: johnkerry04: BREAKING---KERRY TO UNCONCEDE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF FRAUD , where there are a number of messages from her. Also in response to comments that the email address for John Kerry's brother Cameron Kerry on her email differs from that on his law firm site, she believes they are both valid, but for different uses. Finally (and quite to my surprise), she noted my book web site in my standard signature (below) and posted a "shameless plug" for it on the above website! Thanks, Cynthia!

Coheartedly,
Tom

Informant: Martin Greenhut

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WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD

by Susan Truitt, Co-founder, CASE Ohio, Citizens' Alliance for Secure

Saturday, November 6, 2004

//radtimes.blogspot.com/

Thank you all for your supportive responses to the allegations of election fraud in the 2004 presidential election. Here are some concrete actions that you can take that will make a difference.

Please keep your indignation alive and use that energy to raise the issue publicly until the mass media can use the "F" word -- fraud.

Please keep the energy going to help educate the public regarding the devastating truth that our electoral process is broken and is being taken over by right wing zealots and privatization.

Contact TrueMajority //www.TrueMajority.org and
MoveOn //www.moveon.org
and CommonCause //www.commoncause.org

and tell them to help pursue a post-election challenge to the vote tallies. Donate money to these organizations.

Send financial donations to: Black Box Voting, Bev Harris' site. She is doing a world of good with her tenacious and brave work. She sent out Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to every county in the country, and that type of effort requires funds. Read Black Box Voting, by Bev Harris, available on the web, to arm yourself with the sad facts of a broken electoral process:

//www.blackboxvoting.org

Also, send donations to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been instrumental in all litigation across the country relating to e-voting (electronic voting):

//www.eff.org

Send donations to VerifiedVoting //www.verifiedvoting.org
and VotersUnite //www.votersunite.org
and BallotIntegrity //www.ballotintegrity.org .

These organizations have done a lion's share of getting the word out about what is wrong in this country's electoral process.

Write to your local newspapers to inform the public at large what is going on. Tell them to cover the election debacle and tell them to use the "F" word liberally...

Write to John Conyers (D - Mich), Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Constitution, who has requested a Congressional Hearing on the 2004 election. Tell him you support the request and that you want him to push for the hearing to be held as soon as possible.

Contact Information for John Conyers:

* Washington DC E-Mail Address: john.conyers@mail.house.gov
* Washington DC Web Address: //www.house.gov/conyers
* Washington DC Web Mail Address: //www.house.gov/conyers/letstalk.htm
* Washington DC Web Mail Address: //www.house.gov/writerep

Washington DC Address
2426 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-2214
Phone: 202-225-5126
Fax: 202-225-0072

District Address - Detroit
Federal Building, Room 669
231 West Lafayette Boulevard
Detroit, MI 48226-2766
Phone: 313-961-5670
Fax: 313-226-2085

District Address - Southgate
DCC Building
15100 Northline Road, Suite 257
Southgate, MI 48195
Phone: 734-285-5624
Fax: 734-285-5943

Campaign Address
19512 Livernoise
Detroit, MI 48221
Phone: 313-864-3671

Write to George Soros and ask him to help fund litigation in Ohio and Florida to challenge the vote tallies.

c/o Open Society Institute--New York
888 7th Avenue
New York, N.Y. 10106
United States of America
Telephone: +1-212-757-2323
Fax: +1-212-974-0367
E-mail: osnews@sorosny.org
Web: //www.soros.org/gsbio.html

Write to the DNC and ask why Senator Kerry capitulated so quickly -- before the information on the vote tallies was even beginning to come in. Tell them that Senator Kerry needs to take back his concession. Democratic National Committee, 430 South Capitol St SE, Washington, DC 20003. Their phone number is 202-863-8000. Their web-site is: //www.democrats.org

Contact the Kerry campaign and tell them that he has done a great disservice to the American people by capitulating so quickly - before information could be gathered. Tell him to reconsider in light of all that is coming to the surface.

Contact National Headquarters
Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.
P.O. Box 34640
Washington, DC 20043
202-712-3000
202-712-3001 (fax)
202-336-6950 (TTY)

Stay in touch with CASE_OH@yahoogroups.com and CaseOhio
//www.caseohio.org

Finally, forward this to all of your friends, acquaintances, listservs, etc.

Keep up the good fight.

Thank you.

Susan Truitt
Co-founder, CASE Ohio, Citizens' Alliance for Secure Elections
//www.caseohio.org
614-487-1759
614-270-5239


Informant: NHNE

ROBBED

//tinyurl.com/42ue8

STOLEN ELECTION NEWS STORIES & LINKS

RadTimes
Monday, November 8, 2004
//radtimes.blogspot.com/

Maryland E-voting Controversy Continues In Presidential Race
//www.wtonline.com/news/1_1/daily_news/24878-1.html

E-voting Concerns Outlast Election
//searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1022484,00.html

Tallying of N.M. Paper Ballots Could Take Days
//www.abqjournal.com/elex/252622elex11-03-04.htm

Wichita Co. Experiences Trouble With Counting The Votes
//www.kfdx.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=6839

Footprints of Electoral Fraud: The November 2 Exit Poll Scam
//globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html

Board Awaits State Followup
//www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/news/news.01.txt

Nader requests recount of NH Presidential ballot
//www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=46674

17,000 Election Day Incidents Reported by Voters, Election Staff
//www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_11.21.html

Democracy Fails: Corporations Win
//www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/democracyfails.html

Ohio Whitewash
//www.spectrumz.com/z/fair_use/2004/11_04.html

Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked
//www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Ohio Election 2004 Audit
//www.neohioact.org/electionaudit/%20

Voting Problems in Ohio Set Off an Alarm
//www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/politics/campaign/07elect.html

Seven questions for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell
//www.ohiocitizen.org/moneypolitics/2004/blackwellletter.html

Worse Than 2000: Tuesday's Electoral Disaster
//www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml

None Dare Call It Voter Suppression And Fraud
//www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983

An Examination of the Florida Elections (2004)
//www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/

Computer Glitch Still Baffles County Clerk
//www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt

GOP Wants News Organizations to Abandon Exit Polls
//www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=6674

Phantom Votes in Cuyahoga County, Ohio
//pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

Florida¹s Election Was An Utter Sham
//www.zeppscommentaries.com/VRWC/gun.htm

Draft Dean
//www.stephendinan.com/2004/11/draft-dean.html

On The Front Lines in Florida
//darkwing.uoregon.edu/~sanjay/florida.html


Informant: NHNE

Call On The Ohio Democratic & Green Parties To Demand A Recount

//tinyurl.com/43rh7

More Votes Than Voters

//tinyurl.com/6m5ru

The Progressive Response, 8 November 2004, Vol. 8, No. 23

//tinyurl.com/536nl

None Dare Call it Voter Suppression and Fraud

by Bob Fitrakis

Evidence is mounting that the 2004 presidential election was stolen in Ohio. Emerging revelations of voting irregularities coupled with well-documented Republican efforts at voter suppression prior to the election suggests that in a fair election Kerry would have won Ohio....

//www.dissidentvoice.org/Nov2004/Fitrakis1108.htm

Vote Fraud Evidence to Kerry's brother

Vote Fraud Evidence to Kerry's brother (lawyer)

See also Election Fraud blog with many links
//radtimes.blogspot.com/

Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:45:59 -0500
From: Dal LaMa
Subject: SEND ALL EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD TO CAM KERRY
Reply-to: dal@progressivegovernment.org

I'm passing this along. Dal

Everyone! Please forward to all who have specifics on vote fraud. The send-to address below is John Kerry's brother at his law firm. Kerry will unconcede if there is solid evidence of fraud. We need first hand sufferers so please get this info to them!!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
EMAIL FROM DC LAWYER CYNTHIA BUTLER

I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.

There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.

There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.

I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.

Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why - whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address CKerry@Mintz.com

They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)

If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign.

They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours - particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners). They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday. If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.

If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.

This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.

Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.

Cynthia L. Butler
BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036

//www.johnkerry.com/index.html


Dal LaMagna


Informant: Martin Greenhut

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WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD
//omega.twoday.net/stories/395449/

MSNBC weighs in voting fraud

//tinyurl.com/6omjj

Countinghouse Blues

Find this article at:
//www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

Shanti Renfrew


Countinghouse Blues: Too many votes in Nebraska county

Sarpy County election officials are trying to figure out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the general election. As many as 10,000 extra votes have been tallied and candidates are still waiting for corrected totals.

Johnny Boykin lost his bid to be on the Papillion City Council. The difference between victory and defeat in the race was 127 votes.

Boykin says, "When I went in to work the next day and saw that 3,342people had shown up to vote in our war, I thought something's not right."

He's right. There are not even 3,000 people registered to vote in his ward.

For some reason, some votes were counted twice.

Deputy Sarpy County Election Commissioner Ed Gilbert says, "It affected 32 of the 80 precincts. And I suppose as many as 10,000 votes."

Sarpy County borrowed the election equipment from Omaha-based Election Systems & Software. Its employees operated the machines that are now double-checking the ballots.

No one is sure exactly what went wrong.

Gilbert says, "The only thing we know is that if you load the disc out there, it reads fine. They didn't read fine on this computer."

Election officials say they don't believe the glitch will impact who wonand who lost any of the races. They figure that when votes were doubled in a particular race, the totals were doubled for both candidates. Vote totals would be skewed but percentages would not change.

In spite of that, the candidates want to know the real numbers.

Boykin says, "I think we owe it to those folks to make sure all the votes got counted, correctly."

As of Thursday night, the problem still had not been pinpointed. The Sarpy County Election office had hoped to post the updated results on its Web site but, at last check, we got the following message: "Updated unofficial results for the 2004 General Election are pending. Please check back later."

Find this article at:
//www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

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//pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

Cuyahoga County Precincts

There have been several emails regarding this page. I will be inquiring to Cuyahoga County in the coming days. It seems that the precinct/ward differences may be where the problem is as the official summary report does not show these spikes in turn-out.

The summary, however, does not report on the number of registered voters for precincts or wards, whereas the referenced link does. I am using the referenced link data below (more complete totals), not the summary report, which only reflects total districts.

Each precinct in Cuyahoga County, Ohio Highlighted areas represent 90% (very VERY unlikely) and higher (up to 1160.78%) voter TURN-OUT! 30 are above 100% calculated from data on county page -
//boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm

(Ballots Cast/Registered Voters) * 100 = % turn out. Ballots Cast SHOULD NEVER be more than registered, thus % should NEVER be higher than 100%

This amounts to 97,489 EXTRA votes beyond 100% in those precincts! This is just for ONE county!

No further evidence needed - a recount MUST be done - and possibly another national election using ONLY paper ballots, hand counts, and observers making sure all counts are valid. I don't trust these computers AT ALL! We should have the UN observe!

Go to: //pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html for complete page.

The Grand Refusal Begins

//tinyurl.com/5cltn

Take action to defend democracy, demand an investigation into electoral fraud

VOTERGATE! EMERGENCY CALL TO ACTION--WED 11/10 Noon SF Federal Building

EMERGENCY CALL TO ACTION! VOTERGATE!!!

Are you anguished and enraged by the outcome of the Nov 2 election? Are you following the growing mass of evidence of possible fraud and outright theft? Lost votes, missing ballots, black-box machines with no paper trail, a clear pattern of intimidation of voters based on racial profiling, do you suspect a scandal bigger than Watergate and far more meaningful than Monica is being suppressed?

Was the 2004 election stolen? Take action to defend democracy and
demand an investigation into electoral fraud!

We can stay home and grumble and swear at the T.V. as Bush claims a mandate. We can go to work as usual, and pretend nothing is wrong. Or we can come out and take action. Join us to protest the continuing disenfranchisement of African-American, Latino and student voters, to demand a suspension of the electoral college vote until there is a full and impartial investigation of all the irregularities, and to defend democracy.

Wednesday, November 10,
Noon
San Francisco Federal Building,
450 Golden Gate, plaza side,

Rally and nonviolent civil disobedience.

--We demand a thorough, impartial, and immediate investigation into electoral fraud, racially based suppression of voters, and a full count of all provisional and absentee ballots and ‘spoiled’ votes.

--We demand that the December 13 electoral college vote be suspended, if necessary, until these questions are resolved. The legitimacy of our government is compromised when the integrity of our electoral system is in question, free and fair elections are the basis of a democratic government.

When the integrity of the electoral system is in question, the government loses its legitimacy. No recount could be as destabilizing as the widespread suspicion that the Republicans have stolen a second election.

Here are just a few of the serious concerns that have arisen:

--Around the world, exit polls are used to verify that elections are free from fraud. Here in the US, polls in precincts using computer voting machines with no paper trail were consistently at odds with the reported outcome, while polls in precincts using paper ballots matched the outcome.

--In Ohio, adequate numbers of voting machines were not provided in African American and student neighborhoods, causing voters hours of waiting time at the polls.

--1,074 instances of voter intimidation were reported to the Election Protection Coalition.

--In Franklin County, Ohio, voting machines gave George Bush 3,893 votes in one precinct alone, far more than the number of registered voters. In Craven County, North Carolina, a software error gave Bush 11,283 extra votes, in Broward County, Florida, voting machines were discovered to be counting backwards.

--In Ohio, the number of provisional ballots may be far higher than Secretary of State Blackwell claims. Absentee and ‘spoiled’ ballots have not been counted—African American and Latino voters are far more likely to have their ballots discarded.

--Purging of supposed ‘felons’ in Florida and Colorado disproportionately targets communities of color and may violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

--The Diebold machines and central computer processors were never tested to assure that they could not be hacked by outsiders.

--And much, much more!

It’s not too late! The Watergate Scandal brought Nixon down long after he took office. We can counter the false perception of Bush’s ‘mandate’, push the mainstream media into covering these serious issues, maybe even put some spine into the Democrats, stand in alliance with youth and communities of color, and protect the integrity of our vote. Fighting for fair elections is vital—for the present and the future!

Reclaim the Commons
Democracy Defense Committee
//www.beyondvoting.org

For more information on election fraud, see:
//www.blackboxvoting.org
//www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
//www.gregpalast.com/
//www.democracyunderground.com/
//www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804A.shtml


Informant: Scott Munson

Kerry to un-concede?

//www.ericblumrich.com/


Informant: lynnzy

Mobile phone risk revealed

//www.nature.com/news/2004/041011/pf/041011-11_pf.html

ITS TRUE, LIKE WE WERE AFRAID: CELLULAR PHONE ARE DANGEROUS!
AND NOW... WHAT?

Max Webber


Published online: 14 October 2004; | doi:10.1038/news041011-11

Mobile phone risk revealed

Federica Castellani

Long-term phone use doubles occurrence of rare tumour.

All of the extra tumours seemed to occur on the same side of the head to which the patients normally held their phone.
© Getty

Using a mobile phone for ten or more years doubles the risk of getting a type of benign head tumour, a Swedish study has found.

The study is relatively small, it looked at 148 patients and 600 controls, and the effect will need to be confirmed with larger groups. But it is the first to show clear evidence that mobile phone use could increase the risk of getting tumours.

"We were surprised about the results, but the outcome is quite clear," says Anders Ahlbom, an epidemiologist at the Karolinska Institute, who was involved in the study.

"We are now convinced of the quite strong risk due to the use of mobile phones, and we are waiting for confirmation from the other research groups," says Ahlbom.

Sweden is one of the 13 countries taking part in the INTERPHONE study. This research programme, coordinated by the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in Lyon, France, was set up in 1998 to investigate whether exposure to the radio-frequency electromagnetic fields from mobile phones causes damaging health effects.

The outcome is clear. We are now convinced of the quite strong risk due to the use of mobile phones.

Anders Ahlbom
epidemologist at the Karolinska Institute, Sweden

Twice the tumours

The Karolinska team looked at the incidence of acoustic neuroma, a benign tumour that grows on the nerve connecting the ear to the brain. Normally the chance of developing acoustic neuroma is 1 in 100,000.

The researchers studied 148 acoustic neuroma patients and 604 healthy controls. 14 of the neuroma patients had regularly used mobile phones for over ten years, compared with 29 of the controls. That translates into a doubled risk of developing the condition, the researchers say.

All of the extra cases seemed to occur on the same side of the head to which the patients normally held their phone.

Danish comparison

The first results of the INTERPHONE study came in January from Danish researchers. Scientists from the Institute of Cancer Epidemiology in Copenhagen identified no link between phone use and the frequency of tumours, even though the average size of tumours that did occur was significantly larger for regular users than for nonusers.

But the Danish study was smaller than the Swedish one: it involved 106 acoustic neuroma patients and 212 healthy controls. Jörgen H. Olsen, head of the Danish institute, says that the Karolinska team's results are very convincing, and the differences in the outcome between the two studies, which used identical methodology, could be explained by the bigger sample size.

However, Olsen cautions that the Swedish results were partly based on asking the patients which side of the head they normally held their phone. People with a tumour on a particular side of the head might be more likely to say they held their phone on that side, he points out.

Studies are now complete in nearly all the countries involved in the INTERPHONE project, and the final results are expected to be released in early 2005, according to Elisabeth Cardis, chief of the radiation and cancer unit at the IARC.

Five of the countries involved in the project are also planning to start prospective studies following 250,000 people (50,000 in each country) to confirm any effects that INTERPHONE finds.

References

1. Lönn S., et al. Epidemiology, 15. 653 - 659 (2004). | PubMed |

Story from news@nature.com:
//www.nature.com/news/2004/041011/pf/041011-11_pf.html

© 2004 Nature Publishing Group

US-Politiker will Beweise für Wahlbetrug vorlegen

//www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53034

U.S. of Amnesia

//www.laweekly.com/ink/04/50/web-cooper.php


Informant: Lew Rockwell

ACLU Continues the Fight for Voting Rights

Good news..here's a toll free number.they want folks to call them..look they're admitting it now..the fraud..they weren't saying a thing earlier today and said they hadn't heard of any...c

ACLU Continues the Fight for Voting Rights

The ACLU monitored polls nationally and is responding to incidents of voter intimidation, vote suppression or election foul-ups, including in Minnesota, Ohio, Rhode Island and Virginia, and in Florida. Voters with complaints are encouraged to call our toll-free voter hotline 1-877-523-2792.

//www.johnkerry.com/index.html


Informant: ItalysBadBoy

Hartz IV ist Armut per Gesetz

08.11.2004

Kinderreport 2004 belegt: Hartz IV ist Armut per Gesetz

Zum im Kinderreport 2004 prognostizierten Anstieg der Kinderarmut in Deutschland durch die Hartz-Gesetze erklärt Bundesgeschäftsführer Rolf Kutzmutz:

Der Kinderreport 2004 macht deutlich: Hartz IV ist Armut per Gesetz. Wenn im Ergebnis von Hartz IV 1,5 Millionen Kinder mehr gezwungen sein werden, an der Armutsgrenze zu leben, führt das die Hartz-Gesetze und die dahinter stehende Philosophie endgültig ad absurdum. Sie bringen keine Existenz sichernden Arbeitsplätze, sondern rauben denjenigen Zukunftsperspektiven und Lebenschancen, die sich am wenigsten wehren können. Jedes zehnte Kind in Deutschland wird ab Januar 2005 in Armut leben - das ist der sozialpolitische Offenbarungseid der rot-grünen Bundesregierung.

Hartz IV setzt für Millionen einen verhängnisvollen Kreislauf der Armut in Gang, der vom Kindes- bis zum Rentenalter andauert. Die Bundesagentur für Arbeit kalkuliert damit, dass eine halbe Million Menschen überhaupt keine Leistung mehr erhält und dass davon vor allem Frauen in Ostdeutschland betroffen sein werden. Diese mittelbare Diskriminierung, die die Frauen in extreme Abhängigkeiten stürzt, ist verfassungswidrig. Die Betroffenen fallen nicht nur aus dem Leistungsbezug, sie sind auch nicht mehr rentenversichert. Altersarmut droht. Krankenversichert sind sie nur noch über die Familienversicherung ihres Partners, sofern sie verheiratet sind. Vermittlungsbemühungen auf den Arbeitsmarkt werden praktisch für sie nicht mehr stattfinden. Eine Rückkehr in den Arbeitsmarkt und damit in eine eigenständige Existenzsicherung wird fast unmöglich. Dies ist auch psychologisch katastrophal für die zu DDR-Zeiten selbstverständlich erwerbstätigen ostdeutschen Frauen.

Das Sozialstaatsgebot des Grundgesetzes ist eine Grundkonstituente der Bundsrepublik. Bundesregierung und konservativ-liberale Opposition legen die Axt an diese Säule unseres Gemeinwesens.

//sozialisten.de/presse/presseerklaerungen/view_html?zid=24635
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